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This is a Public Topic geared towards first-time filmmakers. Professional members of The D-Word will come by and answer your questions about documentary filmmaking.

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Christopher Wong
Mon 24 Nov 2008Link

you're welcome, charles. looks like you have a wonderful project – and it sounds much more compelling than the "MADE IN AMERICA" doc recently done by Stacey Peralta. since you have the insider perspective, i can't help but think that NBPC would be interested. also, in addition to NBPC, you should also apply to ITVS. btw, if you are a first time filmmaker, you will probably be obligated to pull an experienced Executive Producer on board in order to qualify for funding. but with your storyline, that shouldn't be a problem. best of luck!


Doug Block
Mon 24 Nov 2008Link

Sounds like a very strong project, Charles, as Chris says. The very first thing you should do is apply for full membership in The D-Word. It will give you access to all the discussion topics.

Edited Mon 24 Nov 2008 by Doug Block

Charles Acrie
Mon 24 Nov 2008Link

I truly appreciate your comments Christopher. I may have someone with experience to attach to the project for the purpose of getting funding. When I was in Federal prison I would lay on my bunk submitted because it is difficult for me to trust people since one of my scripts was flipped to make Chris thinking of ways to make money doing what I liked doing. I had already written several scripts, none Rock's HEAD OF STATE. I figured the simple thing to do was to produce a documetary, distribute it straight to DVD and make money. The problem was that making a documentary would be more complicated than I thought it would be. My editor expressed to me that if I wanted him to edit the project, lending his name to it it would have to follow protocol and he suggested that I watch countless documentaries. I started shooting the project in 2006 and I must say that it has been a learning experience. The one thing that I understand is that there is no second chance to make a first impression so I have been very patient. This site has been God sent. Thanks again Christopher

Thanks Doug I wanted to apply for full membership but didn't know if I qualified. I will apply immediately.


David Mcilvride
Mon 24 Nov 2008Link

Charles you say you're 80 per cent complete and you need the other 20 per cent ... what is left that will take 20 per cent? Music compposition? Mix, color correction, etc. that kind of things. There might be contacts that can help with the completion if we know what you're needing.


Charles Acrie
Mon 24 Nov 2008Link

You know what's funny David? I thought I was about 80% completed but after joining this site I may be about 60%. I have about 75 hours of footage. I have already paid for the editing. I have worked out the music composition. I just need to shoot more of the principles in my project and pic up some more equipment and pay the cameraman shooting the B role. Any advice you have I am open for it. Thanks a bunch.


Thomas Golaszewski
Tue 25 Nov 2008Link

In reply to Le Sheng Liu's post on Sun 16 Nov 2008 : Thanks for the information.I will look into those groups. I'll keep you posted on my progress.
Tom


Julianna Brannum
Tue 25 Nov 2008Link

Charles, you should definitely be in touch with Stanley Nelson from Firelight Media in NYC. He told me he has just launched a mentoring initiative for minority filmmakers and is looking for folks to mentor. He is absolutely invaluable.

Also, once you've got a trailer together, send it to him and he'll offer some advice on who to approach for more funding. And if you're really lucky, maybe you could get him to come on as Exec. Producer.
He's not great on email, so I suggest you give him a call and introduce yourself. Their number is 212.234.1324. Web address is www.firelightmedia.org.
Good luck!


Charles Acrie
Tue 25 Nov 2008Link

Thanks Julianna, I will be sure to give him a call. I do have a trailer but I want to make it more professional.


Erica Ginsberg
Tue 25 Nov 2008Link

Charles, also suggest if you are not already connected to sign up for Doculink. I believe they do work in progress screenings of trailers from time to time which may be worth looking into. Fellow D-Worder Robert Bahar is the Doculink Guru, so you may also want to talk to him. There's another group in the L.A. area now doing WIP screenings, but I think they are more focused on rough cuts. Plus D-Word now has a Vimeo channel where you can post for feedback here. I'm sure Doug can post the link since it escapes me at the moment.


Doug Block
Wed 26 Nov 2008Link

Charles, The D-Word has a Group on Vimeo here

And a Channel here

To get your films on The D-Word channel, join the Group and add your films to it and member Mike Patterson will automatically add them to the channel.


Mansi Behal
Wed 26 Nov 2008Link

Submit your short film to "The Party" competition at Filmaka.com and you could win funding to direct your feature-length script! 15-20 filmmakers win $1500 to $4500 each month – 3 of those go on to compete for feature funding at the end of the year! Entries must be 1 to 3 minutes long and are due January 12, 2009. More info at
www.filmaka.com/featurefilm


Le Sheng Liu
Thu 27 Nov 2008Link

In reply to Erica Ginsberg's post on DOCULINK WORKS-IN-PROGRESS :

Yes that is true. LA Doculink hosts about one or two (or maybe even more) works-in-progress screenings by its members. We call it the 10x10 because ten submissions are selected for screening and discussion. I don't know when the next one is, but I recommend all D-Worders join Doculink anyway. It's a great resource just like D-Word!!!


Diane Ingino
Wed 3 Dec 2008Link

Hi everybody,
I just posted a question in one of the members-only forums, but thought I'd come here and pick the brains of the general populace. I'm trying to help put a panel together for a talk in NYC on filmmakers' experiences with digital distribution. I need to get some more viewpoints on the topic.

If you – or anyone you know – is making any money with digital/online distribution of a documentary, please contact me: nycdiane "at" gmail "dot" com. If not making money, how would you define success with digital distribution? Thanks!


Ari Mark
Tue 9 Dec 2008Link

Hi – think this is the best place to post this:

I'm about to go on a documentary shoot abroad. I'm relatively new w/shooting video and have a camera guy shooting on a Sony Z1 along with me.

I want a TOP end camcorder that I can plug a kick ass mic into to shoot great b-roll. Here's my question: which camera will give me the closest to pure HD image? I've been directed to the HDC-H100K. I'm thinking of buying it but it takes SD memory cards. Are these superior to tapes? If I edit in Final Cut Pro, will I be able to easily get all this footage from the SD cards w/o a problem? I've heard bad things about the cards...HELP. Thanks so much in advance.


Riley Morton
Wed 10 Dec 2008Link

my advice to you would be to figure out a way to bring a 2nd Z1u.
even if budget is tight, you can still buy one (used), and then sell it after for a net loss of a few hundred bucks probably.
this way, there is no problems with matching footage, etc. and if something goes wrong on your shoot with either z1, then you have a backup.
it also has XLRs which is the only way to work if you want to use a great mic.


Joe Moulins
Wed 10 Dec 2008Link

I use a Sony A1U as a second camera to my Z1U. The image matches nicely, and the A1U costs half as much, is less than half the size and it has XLR audio.

The A1U sucks in low light though.


Robert Shore
Mon 15 Dec 2008Link

Hi All-
I'm currently shooting on the Sony Ex1 and am pretty happy with what I am getting. Does anyone have any suggestions for picture profile settings for various shooting conditions? Thanks. Rob.


Chris Eva
Wed 17 Dec 2008Link

Hi everyone – I have new Hip-Hop film near completion – just wondering for advice on what I should do with it.

Its a Hip-Hop documentary, 'Peace, Love, Unity and Havin' Fun' and I have been filming for the last 3 / 4 years.

I feel it has international appeal and would be of interest to a lot of young people. 'Discover and learn about cross-community relationship, Northern Ireland and the global phenomenon we call Hip-Hop....' (http://www.sub-cultureproductions.co.uk)

It is 70 min in length and has some big names in the world of Hip-Hop and performing arts i.e QBert, The Pharcyde, Don Letts, DJ Craze, Ugly Duckling, Skinnyman and Shlomo to name a few.

The film refers to Hip-Hop in relation to popular culture (Hip-Pop) and redefines the term by giving examples of the influence Hip-Hop has on young people today. In particular Northern Ireland, a country of recent conflict.

I have attached a teaser.
Thanks,

Chris


Sarah Goldsmith
Wed 17 Dec 2008Link

Hello everyone, this is my first question here and you seem to be a bunch of knowledgeable, informed people so here's hoping someone can help me.

My company is NOT a not-for profit, and we are making a humanitarian-content 3-part documentary series http://www.necessaryproductions.com/page4.html

I have yet to source funding and am finding it increasingly difficult. Does anyone have any advice regarding developing ANOTHER company, such as a social enterprise or other not-for-profit, to work alongside my existing company in order to obtain the many grants etc that would then be available to me?

What would the implications be of having two businesses? Which one would own the films, and what would be the potential for transferring from a not-for-profit, to the profit-making business if it seemed like the film would do well?

Does that make sense? It does to me, but then I know what I mean to say...


Jo-Anne Velin
Wed 17 Dec 2008Link

Why would a grant-making body give funds to a not for profit, that then passes the money on to a for-profit? It sounds like a scam, the way you describe it, regardless what the law says.

What I have seen, not in film but other fields, is profit from a for-profit, being directed to a not for profit, or foundation, partly to lessen a tax bill, but often just to provide the not for profit with operating capital. So, exactly the opposite flow of what I understand you're describing here.


Sarah Goldsmith
Wed 17 Dec 2008Link

In reply to Jo-Anne Velin's post on Wed 17 Dec 2008 : Yes Jo-Anne, you are right, oh dear, it does sound like a scam the way I've described it! It isn't meant to be at all. I don't mean I want to transfer the money from a not-for-profit, my question is, if I had a not-for-profit and the film was funded by a grant(s), would that film be 'optioned/owned' by that funder for a period of time, or would it be available later on for a for-profit company? (the film itself, not the money... please forgive me for not knowing, but the funding issue is new to me). The film is being raised to make profit to further research into a humanitarian issue. I want it to make as much money as possible for the benificiaries, yet, unless I am a not-for-profit, I am finding initial and finishing funding difficult to source – hence my badly-phrased question :)


James Longley
Wed 17 Dec 2008Link

It is possible to find non-profit organizations to sponsor your project for the purpose of applying for and receiving grants as an individual filmmaker. I have not done this, but I know it can be done.

Not sure about the laws where you are, but it might not hurt to consult with a professional legal/financial advisor.


James Longley
Thu 18 Dec 2008Link

Maybe try the IDA


Skyler Buffmeyer
Thu 18 Dec 2008Link

Hey!
I am starting on a doc about body image and how women feel about themselves. One of the main parts in my film is having women send in video diaries about themselves and how body image affects them. I am wondering, since I will probably never face to face meet them....do i still need "rights"? I know most people have their subjects sign an agreement saying they have the right to use the footage in their film but, i am wondering if i need to do that. if i do, how should i go about that?
thanks!!
-skyler.


Doug Block
Fri 19 Dec 2008Link

Yes, Skyler, you still need rights. Send them a release form to sign. Examples can be found through a Google search, I'm sure.


Joe Scherrman
Sat 20 Dec 2008Link Tag

Sarah Goldsmith

In order to get grants for my project I partnered with our local community foundation that is 501C3. At first they didn’t think they could accept money and give it to me, a for-profit. It took the help from Robert Richter D-worder http://www.richtervideos.com/
and Karen Shatzkin (Shatzkin & Mayer, P.C.) www.shatzkinmayer.com to convince our local foundation.

I could of used Robert’s generous offer to provide the 501C3 but I wanted to educate our local community that this can and should be done. (I am on a mission to get our area hip to the production of films.) It also took the help and legal opinion from Karen Shatzkin.
The information from Karen and the offer from Robert helped convince the foundation to look into it. The foundation got their legal people and they then agreed that my project was with-in the foundations mission statement and have now partnered with me. Since I have received over 40,000 in grants.
The hidden section is the opinion I gave the foundation.

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Nicholas Taylor
Sun 21 Dec 2008Link

I'm producing a documentary about this particular family, and they have a lot of home movies and pictures that I'm going to use as B-roll. I have consent forms for the interviews and images, but I need a form specifically to handle the rights for the B-roll. Does anybody have a form like that, or know where I could get one?


Prabha Nag
Thu 25 Dec 2008Link

Hi,
I am using a HV 20 with DOF adaptor to make films. The quality of video is really good, but sound is very tinny. Is there anyway I can improve the quality of sound without spending a fortune? I'm still learning film-making, so want to get some experience before investing in higher-end equipment
Appreciate any suggestions please!


Craig Schneider
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

Hi,
For those of you who have ever done pure editing jobs, what did you use to determine your hourly or daily rate? An old editor of mine from my journalism days hired me to edit some footage that I didn't shoot into a short doc for the web. While he didn't end up using the piece, which i actually never got to finish b/c of he killed the project, and we didn't agree to a set price upfront, I spent about 20 hours all told putting it together. NOTE: I took this work outside my day job (I'm a financial writer to pay the bills). How much do I work the cost of my Final Cut Studio 2 software and new iMac and storage into charging him for the HD edit if at all? Do I base my rate on my current salaried writing job? What's the going editing rate for New York City? It's tricky pricing because I don't want to price myself out of future jobs (shooting and editing) for him in 2009. He asked me to send him an invoice. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Craig


Doug Block
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

Craig, it varies widely. Top editors working on feature docs get $500-600/day. On the other hand, the guy who edited my last work-in-progress sample, who was an experienced ass't editor, and a talented but only somewhat experienced editor, charged $20/hr. Because you're tossing in your own equipment, I'd say a minimum of $25/hr is fair. Anything above that you feel like charging is up to your comfort level.


Craig Schneider
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

Thanks for your feedback, Doug. Most helpful.


Andrew David Watson
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

And your in NYC where the rates are higher... so you can factor that in as well.


Aaron B. Smith
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

In reply to Prabha Nag's post on Thu 25 Dec 2008 :

what kind of microphone are you using? a lapel mic? boom mic? condenser mic?


Aaron B. Smith
Sun 28 Dec 2008Link

In reply to James Longley's post on Thu 18 Dec 2008 :

Yes, IDA has a "fiscal sponsorship" program. There is a detailed application process, but it can happen for you. Nots sure how hard it is to get approved for their program however. If your doc is of a massive budget – over $50,000 (last time i checked) – they start taking a percentage. I paid a lawyer to read over their legal documents regarding fiscal sponsorship and nothing seemed amiss to him.

Membership is required to apply for fiscal sponsorship.


Mark Barroso
Mon 29 Dec 2008Link

In reply to Doug Block's post on Sun 28 Dec 2008 :

I'm shocked, given that all of the contractors employing illegal aliens wanted $25/hr to mud my drywalls.

Edited Mon 29 Dec 2008 by Mark Barroso

Nigel Walker
Mon 29 Dec 2008Link

Mudding is an art though, you have to make sure the room is at the right temperature between coats otherwise the seams will pop up right after the contractor cashes the check.

$25 is a good price, three coats if you own your house, two if you don't.


Lucia Duncan
Fri 2 Jan 2009Link

I searched through the d-word archives for info on subtitles and found suggestions for Belle Nuit subtitler. For some strange reason I can't read the font on the company's website. Would appreciate any explanations of what this software does and why it's preferable to doing subtitles in FCP.


Prabha Nag
Fri 2 Jan 2009Link

In reply to Aaron B. Smith's post on Mon 29 Dec 2008 :

I'm looking at using a boom mike...Any suggestions?


Ethan Steinman
Fri 2 Jan 2009Link

In reply to Lucia Duncan's post on Fri 2 Jan 2009 :

In FCP you can hard code subtitles, that is, when rendered they become part of the image. There is no changing between one subtitle stream and another. Nor can you see the image without any subtitles.

Belle Nuit allows you to generate a separate subtitle file which can be added as a subtitle track when you burn a DVD, allowing the viewer to remove them or change languages.

If you're not concerned with seeing the image "clean", then you can subtitle in FCP without a problem.


Mark Barroso
Sat 3 Jan 2009Link

In reply to Prabha Nag's post on Fri 2 Jan 2009 :

Sennheiser 416.


Ben Kempas
Sat 3 Jan 2009Link

Lucia, you'll find more info if you do a search for "belle nuit" on The D-Word.

Also, as a member, feel free to post these kind of questions in the Editing topic.


John Burgan
Sun 4 Jan 2009Link

Lucia – Belle Nuit is the way to go if you're subtitling a feature-length film, you can get pretty fast and it has all the advantages that Ethan mentions. If budget is a problem, there's a cheap subtitling plug-in from Digital Heaven that might do the trick for you.

PS if the Belle Nuit website is not displaying properly, you might try a different browser.

Edited Sun 4 Jan 2009 by John Burgan

Jeannie Belgrave
Tue 6 Jan 2009Link

Hi everyone...:)New year!!! It's so cool being here and meeting you all. I'm in the legal stage, looking for samples of release forms, current budget samples in USD amounts, simple and documented ways to prepare myself before standing in front of a potential financial partner. How far can I go legally before joining a production studio? I'm my own everything right now. ~J~


James McNally
Wed 7 Jan 2009Link

Hoping I can get some good advice here. I'm a film blogger, and I'm looking for a reputable film studies program that offers courses online. I'm looking for a general grounding in critical theory and film history more than a practical program in filmmaking, but am hopeful that this very wise and connected community can help me out.


Doug Block
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

You really need that to blog? Blimey.


James McNally
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

Exactly, Doug. To pull myself up from the ranks of the "hobbyist" and to get a little respect from the rest of the film world (including documentary filmmakers), I'm feeling the need to get a little edumacation. Your comment confirms exactly what I'm feeling.

By the way, Doug. No posts since September? Bad blogger! :)

Edited Thu 8 Jan 2009 by James McNally

Sarah Evershed
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

Hi I'm beginning work on a documentary that involves animals, birds specifically. Does anyone know if I need the owners to sign some kind of release form to use the birds images? Thanks!


James Longley
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

if the images are under copyright, then yes, assuming you plan to sell the film or show it in public.


Sahand Sahebdivani
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

What if it's clearly communicated to the animals that they're being filmed?


Doug Block
Thu 8 Jan 2009Link

In reply to James Mcnally's post on Thu 8 Jan 2009 :

Shhhh!!!


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