What's your actual request, Sam? Feedback?
The Mentoring Room - Ask the Working Pros
This is a Public Topic geared towards first-time filmmakers. Professional members of The D-Word will come by and answer your questions about documentary filmmaking.
You know Doug, Yes! Feedback PLEASE!
I should have made it clear I was looking for feedback, but this was the mentoring section so I made some silly assumptions :)
Does anyone have any incite on the legality and public domain issues in using youtube-like videos posted on the web? I know that formally copyrighted material is a no go, but what if, say, I want to use a video of Joe-Sixpack (ahem) taken at a bar and posted by his girlfriend, Josephine. Any chance Joe can bust me on this? Thanks! Rob.
One of the dirty secrets of the legal industry is the concept of "exposure." It means how likely you are to be sued by someone, and how likely it will end up costing you loads of money.
In the scenario you described, I'd say your exposure was zero, meaning not to worry about Joe Six. Now, if you were Steven Spielberg then Joe Six (and his lawyer) would probably figure you are loaded and come after you. Conversly, if Joe Six actually turned out to be Joe Pesci, he might come after you (and not just with his lawyer).
So, no responsible person would condone or encourage you to break the law. But you got me instead, the realist. Bottom line: Joe Six CAN "come after you" but it's not likely he will, and if he did, you would get a letter telling you to cease and desist before appearing before any judge.
In reply to Sam Rabeeh's post on Tue 11 Nov 2008 23:18 UTC :
Sam: your description says "Raw video and sound" so are you asking for feedback on just your camera work and sound, not the editing?
In reply to Robert Shore's post on Wed 12 Nov 2008 :
One more thing about exposure. If you are going to use it in film that becomes well-known then your exposure increases. If it's for some fraternity gag film night then not likely. You getting the idea?
I would like to get some advices or creative ideas on how to finance films through the internet.
Have you googled Sundance Documentary Fund? There are plenty of grants programs out there, but that's the first one off the top of my head, and it's actually VERY competitive. What you should also do (if you haven't already) is become a member of the International Documentary Association. They offer fiscal sponsorship to many indie docs, so you can accept donation$ through them!!! Check them out at:
If you wanna use that footage, you still need a release from the subjects who appear in it, including the Joe Schmoe who happens to be the bf of the girl who uploaded it. Also, as far as ownership goes, I think that could be a battle between the person who shot/uploaded it and Youtube, but I don't know of Youtube having any sort of exclusivity policy, so if you can get your hands on the original footage, use that instead. Youtube video quality sucks anyway!
Check out this blog from my friend. She's edited many major projects and has some good insight on how to get your film out there on the web.
Good luck to you guys!! Email me if you like'd more info!!!
Thanks for all your help on the youtube issue. Like so many things, it's clearly unclear. Another question (sorry, kind of learning as I go on this project): I'm thinking about investing in some HD cameras. I have the budget to buy something a bit bigger and fancier (thinking about the Sony EX1) and something a bit less expensive and more easily portable (maybe the Sony A1U). I am concerned about the compatibility of the images. Does anyone have any experience with this? Will the images flush visually if cut end to end? Thanks again,
In reply to Mark Barroso's post on Thu 13 Nov 2008 :
Hi Mark, you can reply on anything. I'm open to advice especially the cinematography as I had difficulty keeping things framed and even making decisions on framing as "everything was happening at the same time".
In reply to Marianne Hjorth Nielsen 's post on Thu 13 Nov 2008 :
I think your question is too general. What kind of film are you talking about?
I have personally been funding my own documentary project and I have run out of funds. When I began the project I really didn't know how extremely detailed I would have to be to complete it. In the beginning I was just thinking of a way to make money, but when I began to understand what it took to create a quality project I knew that I might be in over my head. I hired and trusted someone who I was told knew what they were doing. All that happened was I got cheated out of money. So I got my own camera, a Sony FX1 and a mac pro lap top and began to shoot my own project. I am about 80% complete but just need funding to complete it. How would I go about getting funding for it?
Friends and family are the usual starting points, Charles. Then there's everyone you know. Probably not what you wanted to hear, right? Anyway, would help to know what your doc is about.
charles, if your doc has an obvious social issue associated with it – e.g., education, civil rights, poverty alleviation, global warming – then there are a host of foundations and film organizations which have grant programs available. if your doc does not have any such link to social issues, then you'll find the grant world pretty slim pickings.
for minority filmmakers like you and me, there are always film orgs like NBPC (National Black Programming Consortium) that have grants available. these grants, however, are highly competitive.
for you, the best thing to do would be to make a fundraising trailer (2-5 minutes) and show it to individuals and other organizations who can either fund you, or put you in contact with others who can.
I'm looking for answers Doug, those I want to hear and those I don't. I'm actually going through that short list of people right now. My documentary is entitled, MODERN DAY GANGSTA "Hood Pollitics". It's about a small community in Long Beach California that is occupied by two gang factions, the Insane Crips and the Rollin 20 Crips. They share the same streets, the same friends and families, the same history. They are so closely related that they could be considered family, in some cases they are, and they are killing each other at an alarming rate. The funerals are numbing and have become common. The questions are many but the answers are few. There is no real justice for the families. The code of silence in the community is stifling. Young black men are being put away for the rest of their lives. The danger in shooting this project is real and frightening, but it's a story that must be told.
I have done time in city and county jails, state and federal prisons. I was a product of everything that is wrong with that community, and although I was never involved with either of the two gangs, I was a part of the same social and psychological retardation process that has affected many in that part of the Long Beach community.
I have a Sony FX1 and a mac pro laptop computer. I have hired a professional to do the final edit. I have accumulated a great deal of footage and I'm clear on the direction of the doc. I have a young man from each gang and telling the story through their eyes. They still have gang affiliations, however they have become community activsts, have great jobs and are willing to put themselves on the line to get this story out.
What I like about this site is that it is so informative. If you take the time to read over the many questions and answers from other Enthusiasts and Members, many of your questions will be answered, not to mention the plethora of sites posted. It's absolutely amazing and I truly appreciate all of the information and I want to thank you for allowing people like me to be a part of such a worthwhile site.
Thanks Christopher for the advice. I read the comment you wrote on Monica's 10 minute trailer and I found it quite informative. I will check out the NBPC and I'm confident that my documentary will comply with some of the criteria they are asking for. When I read the comment you sent to Monica it made me take a closer look at my own. Keep up the good work brother and thanks again.
you're welcome, charles. looks like you have a wonderful project – and it sounds much more compelling than the "MADE IN AMERICA" doc recently done by Stacey Peralta. since you have the insider perspective, i can't help but think that NBPC would be interested. also, in addition to NBPC, you should also apply to ITVS. btw, if you are a first time filmmaker, you will probably be obligated to pull an experienced Executive Producer on board in order to qualify for funding. but with your storyline, that shouldn't be a problem. best of luck!
I truly appreciate your comments Christopher. I may have someone with experience to attach to the project for the purpose of getting funding. When I was in Federal prison I would lay on my bunk submitted because it is difficult for me to trust people since one of my scripts was flipped to make Chris thinking of ways to make money doing what I liked doing. I had already written several scripts, none Rock's HEAD OF STATE. I figured the simple thing to do was to produce a documetary, distribute it straight to DVD and make money. The problem was that making a documentary would be more complicated than I thought it would be. My editor expressed to me that if I wanted him to edit the project, lending his name to it it would have to follow protocol and he suggested that I watch countless documentaries. I started shooting the project in 2006 and I must say that it has been a learning experience. The one thing that I understand is that there is no second chance to make a first impression so I have been very patient. This site has been God sent. Thanks again Christopher
Thanks Doug I wanted to apply for full membership but didn't know if I qualified. I will apply immediately.
Charles you say you're 80 per cent complete and you need the other 20 per cent ... what is left that will take 20 per cent? Music compposition? Mix, color correction, etc. that kind of things. There might be contacts that can help with the completion if we know what you're needing.
You know what's funny David? I thought I was about 80% completed but after joining this site I may be about 60%. I have about 75 hours of footage. I have already paid for the editing. I have worked out the music composition. I just need to shoot more of the principles in my project and pic up some more equipment and pay the cameraman shooting the B role. Any advice you have I am open for it. Thanks a bunch.
In reply to Le Sheng Liu's post on Sun 16 Nov 2008 : Thanks for the information.I will look into those groups. I'll keep you posted on my progress.
Charles, you should definitely be in touch with Stanley Nelson from Firelight Media in NYC. He told me he has just launched a mentoring initiative for minority filmmakers and is looking for folks to mentor. He is absolutely invaluable.
Also, once you've got a trailer together, send it to him and he'll offer some advice on who to approach for more funding. And if you're really lucky, maybe you could get him to come on as Exec. Producer.
He's not great on email, so I suggest you give him a call and introduce yourself. Their number is 212.234.1324. Web address is www.firelightmedia.org.
Thanks Julianna, I will be sure to give him a call. I do have a trailer but I want to make it more professional.
Charles, also suggest if you are not already connected to sign up for Doculink. I believe they do work in progress screenings of trailers from time to time which may be worth looking into. Fellow D-Worder Robert Bahar is the Doculink Guru, so you may also want to talk to him. There's another group in the L.A. area now doing WIP screenings, but I think they are more focused on rough cuts. Plus D-Word now has a Vimeo channel where you can post for feedback here. I'm sure Doug can post the link since it escapes me at the moment.